A discussion about a website for the unvoiced

[open_space]

I posted on last JMG's Covid Semi-open post if there would be interest in creating a website where we could take the discussions on the open posts and take them one step further by showcasing the research that has not gotten enough press time and resilience techniques that people that don't want to take the frankenserum can take. I received a couple of replies from programmers, which is more than enough to put it up. One thing that I haven't figured out and would like to discuss here is just what type of content we could publish. So if there is something you would like to see have more display regarding the current situation and in general the un-voiced corners of today's society. What are they?

Comments

[sphagnum]

I'm going to say something controversial: the "research" is not very useful. What we should do, IMO, is to say: F*ck science, we want to live, and *insist* on our individual rights. There are two important arguments on that:

1. Insisting on individual rights is solidarity, because everyone can find himself in the minority opinion.

2. It is wrong to put everything under the dictate of rationality, because rationality is inherently soulless. Rationally, athletes' foot is most efficiently combated by amputation.

[open_space]

I love controversial, specially if it's controversial to me because it gives me perspective. I think you have an excellent point, though at this point science has been so corrupted that it's only normal to want it sent into the trash can.

I am a man of science and I know several of them too who are opposed to this and in some cases all vaccines and would like good research to be more available. However, being an occultist as well I am also opposed for rigid dogmatism to be imposed into people's lives and civil liberties thus need to be maintained, even if forcefully. In the meantime, as we go through the Long Descent, part of my job as an occultist and a scientist is to preserve what I can from the science that I think is worthy. You guessed it, it's not the one that gets airtime or even the drivel that gets labeled as science just to manipulate people.

So just to understand. You would say that having content that brings forth the civil rights what at the same time fostering solidarity is something you would like to see?

[sphagnum]

I think the error is expecting science to answer questions on tradeoffs that are a matter of the soul. I've written something about it here:

https://sphagnum.dreamwidth.org/2110.html

I think we have to push science out of our lives, because it has brought us untold ruin. Research is not going to solve anything because 'studies' and co. have lost their value completely, operating in an extremely noisy environment. We should overcome the idea that whether we do something or not is contingent on whether a study shows an effect or not.

This, of course, is a departure of the positivist, rationalist spirit of the last several decades :-)

And yes, I'm happy about content that arguies from first principles of civil rights and rejects the authority of the #Science to rule our lives.

P.S: I, too, am a man of science.

[open_space]

To me that's a bit of binary thinking which always lead to extremism! But I agree with you, the misuse of science has being thrusted into our lives in where it has no place and that has put it in danger because good research is algo being thrown out the window. Part of my job will be to rescue it once the tides start turning into the other extreme.

[sphagnum]

I see that my comment could be interpreted that way. There is a quote by George William Russel that corresponds more to what I think:

Our theory, which we have often put forward, is that experts ought to be on tap and not on top. We have had during our career a long and intimate knowledge of experts, most interesting men in their own speciality to which they have devoted themselves with great industry and zeal. But outside this special knowledge they are generally as foolish and ignorant as any person one could pick up in the street, with no broad knowledge of society or the general principles of legislation.

We as a civilization have put the experts on top of everything and the mess is huge.

I think a lot about saving science, but I see that science as an institution is terribly bad shape. I wouldn't know where to start. If you have an idea, I'd love to hear it.

[open_space]

Thank you for your thoughtful comment! That is also my thinking per the quote you shared and most wholeheartedly agree with you on that front. Science and scientists and priests and sages should remain as counselors of a body of governmental institutions whose focus is society, its well-being and stability.

Regarding Science and how to save it. First thing in my mind is to start doing Science outside of the approved institutions. Old-style messy science, basic scientific method shared with kids and lay people in everyday things, like cooking, gardening and the crafts. On another more robust front, I think the parts of Science that are going to survive will have to tie in one way or another to spirituality, alternative medicine, architecture and basic engineering --things that would be useful on a declining and post decline age.